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¿Se involucra la vista al escuchar?

Esta investigación en Alemania ¿Tendrá alguna implicación sobre los resultados de las tan gustadas pruebas ABX o doble ciego?

https://www.research-in-germany.org/en/infoservice/newsletter/newsletter-2017/may-2017/the-sound-of-noise.html



Are our eyes involved in hearing?

Dr Hans-Joachim Maempel, a musicologist from the Staatliches Institut für Musikforschung in Berlin, studies fundamental questions related to hearing. For him it is not enough simply to measure sounds using technical apparatus. He wants to know how we hear – and how our hearing experience is influenced by what we see. To this end, he teamed up with colleagues from Technische Universität Berlin to measure the optical and acoustic properties of six concert halls – among them the Romanesque Eberbach Abbey and the Gewandhaus in Leipzig – and reproduce them in a 3D simulation. His test subjects experience this virtual concert hall on a panoramic screen measuring more than 20 square metres; they listen to the music through special headphones which, unlike conventional headphones, ensure that the acoustic environment does not rotate when test subjects move their head.
“The most important finding of the experiments is that hearing and seeing influence one another hardly at all”, says Maempel. We appear to be able to make a clear distinction between acoustic stimuli that influence our auditory perception and optical stimuli that affect our visual perception. There is just one exception to this: if our visual perception is impaired, for example because our sight is poor, people rely more on their ears for orientation. And this is equally true the other way around.
Depending on the particular situation, having a good sense of hearing can be an advantage – when it comes to understanding others, for example – or a disadvantage, like when we find noise intrusive or disturbing. In any case, research currently being carried out gives us good reason to hope that auditory perception can be adapted to the wishes of the listener in future.




https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hans_Joachim_Maempel/citations

https://www.ak.tu-berlin.de/menue/team/wissenschaftliche_mitarbeiter/dr_hans_joachim_maempel/


Pruebas científicas validan la escucha a ciegas, pero para modificar la percepción la imaginación basta.

Siempre he tenido duda de si las pruebas a doble ciego o ABX en su elaboración y por condiciones naturales del cerebro y evolución humana no "mutilaban" el espectro de percepción en general y de tal manera arrojara resultados inexactos, que la prueba por si misma limitara el espectro de percepción y de ahí el no tener diferencias muchas veces.

Bueno, pues recientes investigaciones han dado un fuerte respaldo a la validez y despejado las dudas que tenía, de hecho confirman que aun tras breves periodos de no tener vista la mejora de escucha en harmónicos mejora.
 
 
François Champoux, director of the University of Montreal's Laboratory of Auditory Neuroscience Research, will present his team's research and findings at the Acoustics 2012 meeting in Hong Kong, May 13-18, a joint meeting of the Acoustical Society of America (ASA), Acoustical Society of China, Western Pacific Acoustics Conference, and the Hong Kong Institute of Acoustics.
Studies have shown, in terms of hearing, that blind people are better at localizing sound. One study even suggested that blindness might improve the ability to differentiate between sound frequencies. "The supposed enhanced tactile abilities have been studied at a greater degree and can be seen as early as days or even minutes following blindness," says Champoux. "This rapid change in auditory ability hasn't yet been clearly demonstrated."
 
They found no significant differences between the two groups in their ability to differentiate harmonicity prior to visual deprivation. However, the results of the testing session following visual deprivation revealed that visually deprived individuals performed significantly better than the group that took their blindfolds off.
"Regardless of the neural basis for such an enhancement, our results suggest that the potential for change in auditory perception is much greater than previously assumed," Champoux notes.
 
 
Eso por un lado, pero por otro lean el artículo siguiente, no se necesita ver para modificar la percepción de lo que se ve o se escucha, LA IMAGINACIÓN tiene un peso sustancial así que no se necesita ver o no ver sino no imaginar.

El camino para una prueba 100% confiable basada en humanos parece aún complicado dado los numerosos aspectos en juego del cerebro humano
 
 
A study from Karolinska Institutet in Sweden shows, that our imagination may affect how we experience the world more than we perhaps think. What we imagine hearing or seeing "in our head" can change our actual perception. The study, which is published in the scientific journal Current Biology, sheds new light on a classic question in psychology and neuroscience -- about how our brains combine information from the different senses.
 
"We often think about the things we imagine and the things we perceive as being clearly dissociable," says Christopher Berger, doctoral student at the Department of Neuroscience and lead author of the study. "However, what this study shows is that our imagination of a sound or a shape changes how we perceive the world around us in the same way actually hearing that sound or seeing that shape does. Specifically, we found that what we imagine hearing can change what we actually see, and what we imagine seeing can change what we actually hear."
 

El mal uso de la metodología AB para pruebas de audio



AB TESTING, A MISAPPLICATION OF VISUAL CRITERIA IN AUDIO

©2006 Mark B. Anstendig
(AB testing is a form of testing designed to compare different qualities of sound. In audio, it is used to compare and evaluate the differences in sound between components. The most prevalent form is to switch back and forth between components while a single sound source, usually a recording of music, is playing. Similar methods are used in aural research.)
For decades, controversy has raged in the audio world over the validity of AB testing. While the controversy primarily concerns the AB comparison of audio components, AB testing is also used extensively in scientific research into human hearing and in the evaluation of recorded sound quality. In fact, scientific investigation of human hearing in more than a rudimentary fashion and the investigation of complex sounds, containing both timbral distinction and details of nuance as the sounds flow in time, first became possible with the advent of recorded sound. Before sound recordings, it was impossible to repeat any such sounds exactly the same way, especially humanly produced sounds such as the expressive nuances of music.
The senses differ markedly in their characteristics. In order to investigate any of the senses, it is necessary to differentiate the characteristics of each of the senses, recognize how each works, and apply only procedures pertinent to the sense being investigated. Above all, while testing one of the senses, it is important to not misapply procedures that only apply to another of the senses. Unfortunately, most methods of testing hearing do just that by trying to duplicate the visual procedure of direct comparison. Direct visual comparison has been accepted for centuries as scientifically accurate. But direct comparison is possible only with sight and impossible with all the other senses. That fact is probably the most pertinent scientifically established fact about all sensory perception.
It has long been known that the only capacity of any of the five senses that meets scientific standards for accuracy and dependability belongs to sight. That capacity, known in the optical world as direct comparison, is the visual comparison of objects lying directly next to each other (not an inch or a centimeter apart, but absolutely next to each other. In color testing, the one color is laid directly on top of the other color). This direct comparison of immediately adjacent visual images reaches its highest level of precision in the comparison of shades of color and gray tone (scientifically accurate color charts, determined by direct visual comparison, have existed for centuries).
That direct visual comparison is the only scientifically accurate capacity of any of the senses was well known in the first half of our century, when it was acknowledged that there was a need to devise a focal-point-exact method of focusing optical lenses in cameras. (The original method of focusing in cameras, the ground glass, is highly inaccurate, mainly because it does not utilize the highly accurate sensory capacity of direct comparison.) But, in the second half of the century, mention of direct comparison has been pointedly avoided in the optical-photographic fields, because the only device that succeeded in utilizing direct comparison and, thereby, achieving absolutely exact (focal-point-exact) focusing, the Messraster, was not owned by the leaders of the industry. From 1939, when that patent was first introduced, until the inventor's death, the large firms that controlled the German optical industry fought to keep that patent off the market. All of the manual focusing devices that have been available to the public fail to achieve focusing accuracy because they do not utilize the only accurate capability of sight, direct comparison.
In the experience of the author, who was born in 1936 and reached maturity in the second half of this century, the ascendancy of direct visual comparison over all other sensory comparison has been mentioned only once. That was in 1960, in West Berlin, by Joseph Dahl, the inventor of the Messraster focusing device. Mr. Dahl, from whom the author bought a number of Messrasters in the early 1960's, took great pains over quite a number of months, to explain and demonstrate the problems of sensory comparison to the author in order to show why the Messraster, by using direct comparison, is the only device in photography that can focus accurately.
Only the visual comparison of unmoving objects directly next to each other, with no space between them, can claim scientific accuracy. All other forms of comparison using any of the senses, including other forms of visual comparison, do not begin to meet scientific standards of accuracy and dependability. A clear understanding of why that is so, as well as an understanding of why direct comparison is impossible with the other senses, is essential to valid comparison-testing in audio and, in fact, all comparison of sensory impressions.
Why is direct visual comparison the only accurate form of comparison in all five senses? Because it is the only form of sensory comparison that places no demands upon our memory. All other forms of comparison, including visual comparison of objects not directly adjacent to each other, depend on our memory for sensory impressions. And our immediate memory for sensory impressions is notoriously undependable. Place minutely varying shades of color next to each other and we have absolutely no difficulty telling which ones are lighter, shinier, warmer-toned, cooler-toned, etc. But showing them to us one after the other introduces a profound degree of uncertainty and doubt and we will often guess wrong as to their differences. (Mr. Dahl demonstrated this by showing me two pieces of paper, one after the other, and then asking me which was the lighter in tone. I remembered wrong.) That uncertainty can only be definitively resolved by again placing them next to each other, i.e., by direct comparison. This truth is the reason that the first, most basic through-the-lens focusing device, the ground glass, proved inaccurate.
Understanding why the basic ground glass fails to achieve accuracy is fundamental to defining and understanding the problems of comparison, not only in sight, but in all sensory perception. With a ground glass, it is necessary to focus back and forth over the apparently sharpest setting, remembering how far one can go in each direction before the image becomes obscured. Not only is our memory for the images at the various stages of focus undependable, but the eye quickly loses acuity and begins to see longer stretches as sharp the longer one tries to focus. Experienced photographers using a ground glass know that focusing should be done quickly, going back and forth over the point of apparent focus as few times as possible. Otherwise, whatever little bit of accuracy the ground glass can deliver will suffer, as the memory vacillates more and more the longer the process continues. Absolute accuracy through direct comparison was achieved with a ground glass in the Messraster, which is simply a divided ground glass that eliminates the use of memory by allowing the viewer to compare directly the too far and too close settings, right next to each other. The main reason this little known, but very important, device achieves its accuracy is that it utilizes the only accurate sensory capacity, direct visual comparison, and eliminates the need to use the memory.
The other senses have the same problem: memory of sensory impressions is undependable and, with even slightly extended non-direct comparison, the characteristics of the different sensory stimuli blend into each other and the differences become blurred. With smell, the longer one compares different scents, without long waits in between, the more the difference blurs. And the longer one sniffs a scent, the less strongly one can smell it, to the point that one eventually stops smelling it. With taste, flavors quickly weaken and our palate also quickly blends the flavors, losing its ability to differentiate them. For example, salt lovers know that the more salt they use the more they have to add, because, like being subjected to a particular smell for a long period of time, the palate quickly stops tasting the salt until more is added.
Evaluations of delicate differences in tea and coffee flavors, perfume scents, and other similar sensory products, have to be performed by highly sensitive, specially trained experts under specially controlled circumstances. Even the slightest distraction can ruin their work, because of the great demands these activities place on the memories even of those trained individuals who are intimately familiar with the various pitfalls of their work. And great demands are made on these people in regard to physical discipline, poise, personal delicacy and refinement in order to preserve their physical sensitivity.
The body of the listener is another variable to which differences perceived in AB testing can be attributed. The body changes throughout the day. Disciplined people are usually not as sensitive when they wake up as later in their progress through the day. Physically undisciplined people's bodies also vary throughout the day, though not necessarily in the sense of becoming more sensitive over the course of the day. All sensory perception is conveyed to us through our bodies. There are no abstract sensations. It is well-known that various states of tension and relaxation bring with them differing amounts of sensitivity. Disciplines like Yoga, Zen, etc. can heighten sensitivity through manipulation of the body.
The point that must be especially emphasized in regard to activities that demand great sensitivity is that, no matter how naturally gifted the person, a high degree of physical sensitivity is a cultivated thing that has to be purposely achieved and sustained. (Even Mozart, probably the most naturally gifted human being with regards to sensitivity, had to go through long training, had to be subjected to the finest examples of art in Europe, and had to mingle with the most refined, cultivated people of great artistic discrimination and personal discipline in order to develop that gift. Yet most people think they can simply sit down at any time, in any physical state, and discriminate between subtle differences in the nuances of musical performance and the small but often crucial differences in sound qualities between sound components.) The need to cultivate physical delicacy and discipline during activities involving sensory perception is well known in the fields of touch, taste, and smell. In those fields, not only are controlled circumstances considered necessary for all critical perception, but the people doing the perceiving are expected to preserve the physical delicacy and discipline necessary for such perception. On the days they work, tea tasters, perfume testers, and wine-tasters follow strict physical and dietary regimens designed to keep them in the most sensitive physical state. And their surroundings are carefully controlled to provide an ideally calm and non-distracting environment for extremely delicate perceptive work.
But similar conditions regarding the listener's physical discipline, refinement, and surroundings etc., are seldom, if ever, insisted upon in attempts at audio comparison, even though hearing is the most complex, most variable, most easily disturbed, least dependable and most difficult to monitor of all the senses. That is partly because hearing is also the most taken-for-granted of all the senses, and the least often tested.
There is also an enormous range of differences in hearing acuity. There are people barely able to hear a loud sound and those who hear that sound so loudly that it is almost painful. There are those who can concentrate on a sonic event intensely, for long periods of time, and those who cannot sustain their concentration for more than a second or two and allow any little thing to distract them. There are those who can keep their mind firmly on what is happening in the exact juncture of the present, and those who are either anticipating what is coming or, having missed some detail or lost their concentration, lose themselves in reviewing what they have heard, while the music or other sonic event continues, thus, in effect, missing everything. In truth, most normal people who have not had specific training, exhibit some form of these aberrations in their manner, i.e., habits, of hearing. In normal life, without utilizing complicated testing that is not completely dependable, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, even to notice let alone differentiate differences in the way we hear. However, correct habits of listening can be trained, and with the help of basic yoga-type disciplines, both Eastern and Western, concentration, the ability to resist distractions, and the ability to keep the mind empty and concentrated solely on the (sonic) events of the moment (of the present) can be developed.
But the usual assumption in society is that people who do not need a hearing aid (i.e., do not have a medically proven hearing disability) all hear essentially alike. Because most of our hearing is used to receive dispassionate information, which is conveyed in the meaning of words and does not depend on the nuance of how it is conveyed, we do not think about all the different ways a sound can be produced or all the different ways we can hear it. Because most of us can make out the basic information in the sounds we hear, i.e., words and their meanings, and most daily communication is mainly to convey such information, we generally do not make demands of sensitivity, especially sensitivity to nuance, upon our hearing and we ignore the differences in hearing that our different physical states (moods) will produce. Yet AB testing deals mostly with the perception of differences in sound qualities and nuances, and not at all with the conveying of information.
It has been necessary to establish the role of physical refinement in sensory perception because it is an important factor in attempts at AB testing in sound, and, for that matter, in all comparison of sonic impressions. There is always that distinct possibility that any differences in the way sounds were heard could be just as much because the listener moved, became upset, tensed, or otherwise changed his/her physical state as because the sounds actually differed in the manner they were produced at the source.
There is also the distinct probability with AB testing when one performance or component is less delicate than another to which it is compared, that the listener will still be vibrating in the vibration of the more coarse example when the finer one is played. Since we actually hear the vibrating of our own bodies, the delicacies of the finer example will be filtered through, i.e., produced by, the listener's own more coarsely vibrating body, and, therefore, changed or not heard at all.
In fact, except for an extremely few people with the natural talent of the true orchestra conductor, who can hear with great acuity even when physically and mentally active, the only time people--any people--are actually able to hear and experience the nuances of finely-performed, high-quality music, is when they are absolutely calm, quiet, fully concentrated, and perfectly still. Without specific training, few people are able to place themselves in such a state at will and, therefore, have to wait for the moments when it happens by itself, i.e., when they just happen to gravitate into the right mood. Most of us have certain recordings that can make us cry, or uplift us, or cause such piercingly exquisite experiences that we feel like our heart has jumped into our throat, to utilize a particularly apt colloquial description. But we also know that we cannot just sit down and have those experiences happen at will. We have to wait until we are in the right "place" to be able to experience them.
Since fine music is seldom available at the same moment that most people are physically able to be receptive to it, few people ever hear and enjoy the felicities of fine musical performance, and those that do are not able to do so very often or for very long periods of time. Therefore, few people have even the slightest preparation for any kind of sonic comparisons. They lack the necessary acuity, awareness of the need for physical discipline, practiced concentration over long periods of time, etc. to be dependable subjects. In AB, or other relatively quick forms of comparison, there always has to remain the suspicion that differences in how the sound was heard were as much due to physical instability in the listener as to differences in the sound.
I have made the point that, because direct visual comparison is generally easy to perform and the most often utilized method of differentiation in our lives, we tend to take it for granted that we can accomplish the same thing with the other senses. I have also shown that direct comparison is simply not possible with the other senses because no sensory comparisons with sound, smell, touch, or taste can utilize direct, simultaneous comparison and must, therefore, use the memory (touch would seem to come closest to visual comparison because most things being touched do not change appreciably over the short periods of needed to attempt comparison, and we can simultaneously touch two different things with our two hands. But no two hands or fingers are exactly the same. Alternately touching two objects with the same body part again makes demands on our undependable memory). I have also made the point that, in sound, there must be even greater uncertainty than with other senses, because sound is the most fleeting of sensory stimuli. Sound cannot linger, as in taste or smell, and cannot remain still, as in touch and direct visual comparison. Only carefully engineered mechanical sounds can be absolutely steady and unwavering. All other sounds, even seemingly sustained ones, are constantly changing, i.e. fluctuating, in time.
Am I saying that sonic comparisons are impossible? Not at all. I am saying that they must be accomplished in a completely different, unrelated manner from visual comparisons and with even more care than the extraordinary care taken in serious comparisons of taste, touch, and smell.
But how? The answer lies in understanding that quick, immediate comparisons do not work. The way to make dependable comparisons is through great familiarity with the audio components, sounds, performances, etc. that are to be compared. They must be listened to enough times for the persons doing the comparing to be sure they have really heard and experienced all of the subtle content of the sounds. And once they are sure they have accurately heard the content of the sounds, they must become familiar with it. That usually means living with the sounds over an extended enough period of time to allow the listener to be fresh and attentive during listening periods. The whole process can take hours, days, or even weeks. With familiarity, memory becomes dependable, as long as proper precautions have been taken to maintain the same sound-quality, the same room conditions, a refined state of body, etc., during all listening.
Furthermore, to be truly accurate, all listening comparisons, including those in medical testing of hearing, should be made under circumstances in which the listeners feel completely comfortable, as they would in their own homes. Listening periods should not exceed the listener's comfortable span of attention, and the sonic programs to be compared must be repeated often enough for the listeners to be absolutely sure they are familiar with the programs. Above all, during these periods, there should be no interruptions or physical exertions on the part of the listener that might disturb his/her physical equilibrium, which means that the programs have to be turned on and off by someone other than the listener.
But these preconditions should not be misconstrued as possible means of better conducting AB comparisons. AB testing has absolutely no validity in audio comparisons. Far from being a means of bringing scientific accuracy to audio evaluations, as believed by many audio practitioners, AB testing is based on human capacities that are undependable and do not at all fulfill the requisites of scientific accuracy. There are no exceptions. But the invalidity of AB testing is particularly true when music is used for the comparison, especially when a comparator device is used to switch back and forth between audio components while the music is playing. For that process to be at all logical, the exact same portion of the music would have to be heard each time the switch is operated. But the repetition of exactly the same short sequence of music (or any other sonic program) would bring with it its own irritations that would disturb the listener and negate the test.
The Anstendig Institute strongly recommends that all people professionally involved in AB testing and other comparison of sensory impressions thoroughly study and understand, through first-hand experience and demonstration, the principles involved in the various available photographic focusing devices. It is important to an understanding of all sensory perception to know why these devices that use the human eye are inaccurate. It is also of the greatest importance to understand the truth about depth of field, in the photographic sense: that it really pertains to unsharpness, not sharpness; that depth of field does not exist in the sense of depth of sharpness, but is, rather, a description of the extent to which increasing unsharpness can be tolerated before it disturbs the viewer, a parameter that is entirely subjective and, therefore, undependable because it is determined by and changes with the sensitivity and mood of the individual viewer.
This understanding of photographic images and the effect of sharpness is so crucial because it is with visual comparisons that the human being usually begins conscious, purposely initiated sensory comparisons. With visual comparisons, we first and most dependably develop our sense of discrimination, i.e., our ability to differentiate and evaluate subtle differences in all things. But there are important shortcomings and misunderstandings in photographic imagery that carry over into all visual imagery and, unless can we are aware of them, ultimately affect our powers of discrimination. Along with sounds, photographic imagery is probably the most omnipresent element and influence in our modern life. It pervades everything we do, especially when we mistakenly attempt to utilize processes pertinent only to sight in our work with the other senses.2 The misuse of visual criteria in hearing would by itself be bad enough. But the fact that our understanding of visual images is based on wrong assumptions makes the use of visual criteria all the worse.
Unfortunately, a large part of the audio research that has already been published has utilized AB or similar testing that is simply a misapplication of visual criteria in the realm of sound. All of that research has, therefore, to be considered invalid. If any valid conclusions have been reached by these methods, their acceptance will have to wait until they can be confirmed by means that are scientifically accurate. It is difficult to comprehend the enormity of this situation. Whole edifices of scientific thought, methods, and practice have been built upon this scientifically invalid procedure. No matter how the procedure is refined (as in double-blind AB testing, using two or more blindfolded subjects and comparing components, etc., in such an order that the subjects could not guess their identity), there is no possibility of dependably recognizing subtle differences. In AB testing, any differences being recognized and compared have to be so large that they should be apparent to the same people in any kind of listening.
An argument has blazed for years between those in the audio community who swear they hear subtle differences between components they have lived with and those in the AB testing community who insist that AB testing has proved those people wrong -- that those people must be imagining the differences, because carefully controlled AB testing has shown that the differences do not exist. There are many pitfalls in any kind of listening. But we have seen that those who live with their components before evaluating them could very well be correct in their evaluations. At least they are using a valid procedure.
What is clear is that those using AB testing have not been using a valid procedure. Unless the misconceptions of sight and sound in the scientific world are quickly cleared up, when current or future generations finally realize the truth, they will have to throw out most previous research and, therefore, almost their whole fund of knowledge, because it will all have been based on invalid premises and carried out under invalid conditions.
1 See Messraster patents of 1939 and 1966, in USA and all Germanies. This patent, well known in the optical and photographic fields at the time, is the only focusing device that utilizes direct comparison as the actual focusing method and is the only patent that claims focal-point-exact focusing of lenses in cameras. The correctness of its assumptions was attested by the leading expert witnesses in the field of optics of the time, the optical institutes of the technical universities of Germany (The Anstendig Institute has copies of the affidavits from the Optical Institute of the Berlin Technical University, which, at the time, was the leading optical institute of the world). From the time it appeared, the Messraster was fought against by the industry and kept off the market. It still remains the only possibility of achieving dependable focal-point-exact focusing in all photography.
The Anstendig Institute is a non-profit research and educational institute that studies the vibrational influences in our environment, particularly those of sight and sound, and how they affect sensory perception. Its papers on sound reproduction, problems of focusing in photography, psychology of hearing and seeing, and erratic vibrational influences that affect our lives are widely distributed throughout the world. All are available free of charge.

La escucha mejor no es necesariamente a ciegas, no al menos para algunos músicos y compositores. Las variables de aprender a escuchar.

Por lo visto Stravinsky era un loco enajenado - así como se expresan los defensores de la validez del ABX - y aunque para el la experiencia musical se acrecentaba en presencia de la orquesta y los instrumentos, para el audiófilo supongo que los instrumentos pueden ser los equipos. El director ejecutivo de la Sinfónica de Londres recomienda aprender a escuchar con ojos abiertos y cerrados y comparar, complementar, invita a enlazar escucha y vista para "una escucha más intensa" y "vincular el sonido con la fuente". Hace tiempo yo especulaba que los sentidos no evolucionaron separados, que separarlos podría ser impreciso para hacer pruebas, que posiblemente para un mejor proceso de lo auditivo el cerebro necesitaba un referente visual al cual ligarlo (descartando al validez de pruebas ABX en ese sentido) y más aún el juego que la baja  o alta expectativa tiene a la hora de una valoración. Con gusto voy descubriendo que mis sospechas no están del todo fuera de lugar.

1. Ask kids to listen closely to a musical selection with their eyes open; then listen to the same selection with their eyes closed. Have them discover and discuss the differences. (also see the corollary to this activity in #6 below)

6. Link the eyes and ears for intensive listening. This can best be experienced at live musical events. Try to link the visual source with the sound, so your eyes help you listen. Just as Stravinsky could hear the music better by watching the instruments and performers, so can we. That is one reason attending live performances is always better than recorded media. A child will experience a live concert with his whole being and memory apparatus. Listening to a recording is not the same thing. The intensity and the immediateness of live music are essential. Let the eyes assist the ears, rather than distract them. It takes visual as well as aural discipline to sharpen our listening skills. Following the symphonic flow of events by watching the instruments and performers in an orchestra can be a breathtaking listening experience.

Escuchar con ojos cerrados y abiertos, pero no se hace ningún señalamiento que lo uno sea mejor que lo otro, sino simplemente diferente y complementario. No se si recuerden algunos como antes he comentado que posiblemente la escucha necesitara algun apoyo visual y de ahí que mutilar la escucha con pruebas ciegas podría estar vulnerando la naturaleza perceptiva de la escucha, tal pareciera que algo puede haber solido en mi sospecha. Aquí se habal de música en vivo, obviamente en cntraparte la música reproducida, audio, se ve en más predicamentos al no existir refrentes visuales que nos permitan "afinar nuestras capacidades auditivas"

The Fine Art of Listening: for Musicians & Audiences
by Mary Ann Stewart on June 11, 2010

Listening skills should be stock in trade for musicians, but experienced musicians face the same challenges of concentration and active listening that audiences do. Timothy Walker’s keynote speech at Great Britain’s ISM (Incorporated Society of Musicians) hopefully didn’t fall on tin ears. Walker, Chief Executive of the London Philharmonic Orchestra, realistically addresses the difficulties musicians and audiences face (even composers, conductors, and professional orchestras) in what should be the simple art of listening. Lend an ear to his complete address:




Understanding and Developing Listening

28 May 2010

In his keynote speech at our annual conference, Timothy Walker explores the theme of listening in terms of the challenges that face orchestras, particularly as they develop audiences for the future.
Timothy Walker
Timothy Walker

It is a great pleasure for me to be here with you today to give the keynote address for your conference on ‘Listening’. No doubt you can ‘hear’ me but whether or not you will ‘listen’ is another matter. We are all too familiar with a world that is noisy, a world, where we try to block out sounds that we don’t want to hear, where our listening becomes selective.
Yes, there is a distinction between ‘hearing’ and ‘listening’. It’s the same as the distinction we make between ‘looking’ and ‘seeing’. ‘Listening’, as with ‘seeing’, demands a level of concentration far beyond ‘hearing’ or ‘looking’.

Handel believed that he was the one who taught us how to listen. He told Gluck that the English are only interested in beating time. ‘I have to teach them to listen.’

Interestingly, Stravinsky confesses in his memoirs that his early interest in the orchestra was visual rather than aural. He was attracted by the bright and polished instruments and the sheer spectacle of seeing an orchestra on stage. For him, the visual was an indispensible part of the whole experience. Seeing the bodily effort involved in producing the sound made it all the more vivid for him.
Daniel Barenboim would not agree so readily. In his 2006 Reith Lecture for the BBC he made the point that ‘we now live in a culture where we are bombarded with imagery and information, and are neglecting our ears in favour of our eyes. Everywhere there are competing demands for our attention and so often, somehow, we fail to find the time simply to listen to music for its own sake.’

It was in part, I believe, a response to the ideas expounded in this lecture that The Royal Philharmonic Society established a programme called ‘Hear Here’ in 2008 which operates through a wonderfully interactive website, live concerts throughout the country and programmes on Classic FM.

How much do our players listen? Quite a lot it would seem because they very quickly comment on the concert platforms where they can’t hear their colleagues playing. Many conductors comment on the listening skills of LPO players. Certainly the annual four months of playing for the opera at Glyndebourne is one reason for their heightened listening skills. They are used to hearing, and following, the singers.

But the high stress and constant playing, often of new music or unfamiliar works, must have an impact on the orchestral players’ listening. Shelagh Sutherland, Co-ordinator of Aural Training at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama, makes the point that over-worked musicians rely on the adrenalin rush to make performances exciting and don’t have sufficient rehearsal time to allow them to get beyond their notes and to really listen to other players.

This is perhaps why the string quartet is the apogee of music making. Four members who spend a life-time together music making, playing the same works over and over again to the point where their part is instinctive and the performance is all about listening to the other parts to make the refined ‘whole’.
When we listen, when we really concentrate on listening, how do we do so without taking on the implications of previous listenings? In other words, how do we keep our ears innocent?
We listen to Britten’s War Requiem and we understand the subject and the emotional content but we take our seat on a British Airways flight and the duet from Lakme no longer has anything to do with the opera. We hear the slow movement of Rachmaninoff’s second piano concerto and there is no room for original thought because we see a black and white image of Celia Johnson and Trevor Howard parting at a railway station.
When we teach a new piece of music to our student we are teaching our interpretation of the work. Are we prepared to acknowledge that our student may hear the work differently? Are we prepared to put aside our preconceptions and accept that someone else, a fresh mind, might have an interpretation as valid as our own, however young that fresh mind might be?
Are we then listening to what the composer intended us to hear or what the conductor intends us to hear? You only have to look at www.henrysrecords.com to see the immense difference in the timing of recorded works. A symphony can differ by 10 minutes’ duration. Can this really be possible?

I recall a performance of Tchaikovsky’s Pathetique Symphony at the Royal Festival Hall in September 2008. There was a subsequent tour of the programme of Scandinavian countries, which Vladimir Jurowski pulled out of because of the birth of his second child. Rhozdestvensky took over and I reported to Vladimir that with the addition of the Strauss’s Metamorphosen the concert took 25 minutes more than the London performance. Vladimir’s response was simply: ‘Yes, he hears the music differently’.

What does the composer think? We asked our new composer-in-residence, Julian Anderson, who said: ‘What I try to do is not to dumb down but to try to use the sonic surface, the sensual side of listening, as an in-road to get people thinking about other facets as well. The fact is that some music requires more effort, and I think the fear factor is the main problem here, especially in contemporary art music. Some of the clichés that are voiced about new music should be directly addressed – for example the assertion that there is no melody. It depends very much what you mean by a tune. What I should like to do is to expand an audience’s appreciation of what a tune is and what a melody can be. I’d like to awaken their listening to texture, orchestral colour, atmosphere and harmony. One problem in Britain is that there is a great resistance to the idea that music – especially new music – can be viewed as part of an intelligent forum of culture. I go abroad a lot, and it is not a strange idea in France or Germany. What I would like to encourage is thinking as well as listening – active listening. This is all part of making music a component of general culture.’

How are orchestras in the UK developing the listening skills of young people?
 We certainly recognise the importance of giving every child the opportunity to hear a live orchestral concert at least once during their school years. All of the orchestras in Britain have signed up to offer this by 2017. We have mapped our current programmes for schools in England and already reach 50% of children. With more schools’ concerts in major centres and the help of chamber orchestras to reach smaller regional centres we believe we can meet our goal.
We prefer that the concerts are at the main public concert halls so that children understand that these are public facilities for their use; that we break down barriers to entering our halls in the hope that the child might encourage the parents to bring the family to a weekend concert, something outside of the school experience. We want to give every child the opportunity to hear the power of an orchestra and to experience the emotional intensity of music making. We want to instill in each child a desire to listen to more music and perhaps to take up a musical instrument.
In all our education programmes we meet with the same response; that music tuition increases the concentration of children for all of their subjects not just the music one. Teachers are convinced that music training – even very basic teaching of rhythm, melody and harmony through simple instruments or singing – has an advantageous effect on higher grades in all subjects.

The LPO’s three FUNharmonic concerts for young children attract a capacity crowd but the listening experience is not just about the concert. The day starts well before and goes on for up to an hour and a half after the concert. The hall’s public spaces are given over to a variety of musical activities for the young concert-goers that are designed as an integral part of the FUNharmonic’s experience. There is something to suit every child’s age and interests.

Of course this is all meant to be fun, but it’s also designed with a specific educational objective; the child’s future musical development. The boy wishing to play the trumpet is shown how to purse his lips and blow. Then he’s handed the mouthpiece and encouraged to use the same pursed lip to blow into it. Only when he’s practiced enough to produce a sound is he given the instrument . The result is that he can produce a few notes, and feels satisfied with his success. Hopefully, he has the confidence to pester his parents to allow him to learn the instrument. We have information available to take away that provides contact details for teachers, purchase of instruments and so on.
I have observed with other ensembles that we have taken to hospitals, nursing homes, schools and prisons that often the best response from the audience is for the very contemporary works rather than what we might consider to be the easier, more melodic classics.
We need to put aside our preconceptions about classical music and understand that for a young audience their interests are much more fluid, much more eclectic. Recently the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment presented Beethoven at the Roundhouse in London. It was a new and different young audience that would not have attended the concert at the Royal Festival Hall. They could come and go as they pleased, talk, drink, and whatever. It was a huge success.
But I do wonder, were they listening as we might define ‘listening’ here today? Or were they moved by the rhythmic pulse and the power of the sound of many instruments? Could their response have been more Handel’s claim that we like to beat in time or Stravinsky’s fascination with the visual colour of an orchestra? Were they hearing the sound rather than listening intently to the music?

We have become accustomed to the late 19th century practice of paying homage to music and its execution. We don’t think it appropriate to talk, eat or drink during the performance, or even clap between movements. We have been trained to accept the best conditions for concentrating on listening. Are our experiments to take our music to the young pandering to what we perceive to be their interests? Are we so concerned about getting a young audience, creating the audience of the future, that we would prejudice the very music we are promoting? Are we being regressive in not insisting that the concert venue should be totally silent?
These are issues for discussion and I hope you may have the time to do so during your conference.

Can I leave you with the thoughts of two other leading British musicians.
The violinist, Nicola Benedetti says: Listening well is a discipline, one that can become lazy unless we are reminded of the energy and focus that it requires’
And the pianist Paul Lewis says: ‘Hearing is something that most of us are fortunate enough to be able to do with no problem. However, to listen perceptively – without preconceptions or expectations – is a real challenge for anybody, and is something that requires patience, skill, and an infinite amount of practice!’
If you have listened, then thank you. If you have only heard the sound of a voice, then I rest my case.


Timothy Walker

Chief Executive of the London Philharmonic Orchestra (LPO) and Chair of the Association of British Orchestras (ABO)
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Six Teaching Tips for Music Teachers & Parents to encourage active listening (this is from me, Mary Ann Stewart, inspired by Mr. Walker’s address):

1. Ask kids to listen closely to a musical selection with their eyes open; then listen to the same selection with their eyes closed. Have them discover and discuss the differences. (also see the corollary to this activity in #6 below)
2. Divide the class into listening teams. Ask each group to focus on a different element: the melody, rhythm, harmony, tempo, instrumentation, lyrics, etc. and discuss afterward their findings. Then have them re-listen to the work, from various perspectives, and swap teams. This listening activity can be done on easy to more sophisticated levels, depending on the group. This presents a challenge not only of hearing but of remembering the sequence of musical events, and also of learning to articulate in words what they hear. 


3. Ask the class to conduct the music they are listening to. This was a technique Robert Abramson used at Juilliard, when he asked the entire class of advanced music students to simultaneously conduct in order to discover the meter during live classroom student performances. It was hilarious to see that many of these Juilliard music majors could not discern the meter during these performances, because the performers themselves were inadequately conveying the metric flow. Dance rhythms from a Bach suite could be performed as rhythmically vague as a Debussy nocturne! When this happened, Abramson had the entire class perform the Baroque dance on which the piece was based. The newly enlightened pianist was then asked to play again the work, this time with an understanding of the underlying dance pattern and the metrics of the piece. This revealing exercise made Abramson’s point that the performer has the responsibility of understanding and respecting the differences in musical styles and in conveying the metric and musical flow accordingly. Otherwise the listener doesn’t have a fighting chance at understanding the music, which melts amorphously like the Salvador Dali watch, and fades into the Debussian “Nuages” of our consciousness.

4. Ask kids to move to the music, conveying either the feelings the music provokes in them, or what they interpret the music to be expressing. You will be amazed at how instinctive young children are at understanding the underlying gestures, emotions, and movements of the music. Just as babies recognize mood, emotional expressions, and physical gestures long before they understand language, so will young children respond with authenticity and feeling when asked to listen to the music “with their whole bodies.” They “get” music a lot easier than adults, because their ears at this age are little sponges on steroids, soaking up the world around them.
5. Give your kids (and yourself) some periods of total quiet during the day. (And turn off that TV and stereo at night too!). We live in a noisy, nonstop roar of invasive sounds. Without periods of silence, kids learn to automatically shut down their hearing in order to protect themselves from the noisy onslaught of the world around them. So surround active listening experiences with quiet times, so kids learn when and “how to turn on their ears.” Otherwise, the defense mechanism of shutting out the noisy world and learning “how not to listen” is the result of a non-stop background of sound (even music).

6. Link the eyes and ears for intensive listening. This can best be experienced at live musical events. Try to link the visual source with the sound, so your eyes help you listen. Just as Stravinsky could hear the music better by watching the instruments and performers, so can we. That is one reason attending live performances is always better than recorded media. A child will experience a live concert with his whole being and memory apparatus. Listening to a recording is not the same thing. The intensity and the immediateness of live music are essential. Let the eyes assist the ears, rather than distract them. It takes visual as well as aural discipline to sharpen our listening skills. Following the symphonic flow of events by watching the instruments and performers in an orchestra can be a breathtaking listening experience.   

No solo en audio... el rol de la vista al juzgar lo que se come.

Algunos creen que no ver al oir en pruebas ciegas o ABX se produce un mejor juicio de valoración, mi parecer es que las pruebas ciegas arrojan resultados ciertos siempre y cuando realmente la escucha humana aislada de otros sentidos como vista y tacto pueda operar al 100%. En este ejemplo al menos queda claro que si no se ve lo que se come se pierde la capacidad de juicio cobre la cantidad de lo ingerido y así de qu;e tan saciado está uno.

Interesante, hay restaurantes a oscuras con la misma premisa que el ABX, que así se obtiene una mejor y más aislada valoración de la comida y para deleite del paladar, (cosa que no encontré si es afirmativa en la prueba o no pues no es sobre ello) sin embargo aunque así fuera resulta que en términos cuantitativos se complica determinar cuanto se ha comido.

¿ Y si el gusto o estado de saciedad no fueran el único que requiriera de la vista para hacer mejores valoraciones y juicios ? ¿ Necesitará el oído apoyo de los otros sentidos ? Para mí es claro que sí, bueno, es mi sospecha desde hace mucho, tengo la impresión que en breve a San ABX patrono de los "ciegos" se le caerá su capillita a juzgar por los ultimos reportes en cuanto a la interacción de los sentidos para realizar sus funciones primordiales.

Aquí se habla de una investigación en la que se encuentra la interacción de escucha y sensaciones táctiles:
http://audiofilosmexicanos.blogspot.com/2010/05/para-escuchar-mejor-basta-apagar-todos.html
 
Una nota interesante sobre vista y saciedad.



Eating Food without Seeing It May Impede Ability to Judge Hunger

When you cannot see what you are eating, you lose your ability to accurately evaluate satiety

¿ Para escuchar mejor basta apagar todos los demás sentidos menos el auditivo ? ¿ Y la vista y piel / tacto no influyen ?

En una reciente investigación y aclaro para ser muy objetivo, aplicada principalmente al habla con pruebas en idioma inglés, el investigador Bryan Glick y Donald Derrick de la Universidad de Columbia Británica, en Vancouver, Canada publicó una investigación en la que concluyen que micro vibraciones en la piel al momento de recibir un mensaje audible determinan también el modo en que las escuchamos. Hicieron una prueba en la que sonidos que requieren cierta exhalación fueron generados con otros que no, pero en los sujetos de prueba al emitirles sonidos son exhalación, independientemente en alguna extremidad o cuello recibian una ligera presión de aire o ligero soplido, el resultado es que creyeron escuchar un sonido pero de los del tipo que emiten naturalmente una exhalación o soplo al pronunciarlos.

MAS INTERESANTE AUN - retomando el asunto de las pruebas a doble ciego ABX - es leer que para estos investigadores la unión de percepción auditiva y visual NO VAN SEPARADAS. Es decir en VERDADERAS esferas de investigación esto se da ya por hecho, percepcion auditiva se respalda también en la visual y ahora según lo descubierto en lo tactil. Así que no nos preocupemos por lo que se dice en sitios y agrupaciones pseudo audiófilas y pseudio científicas creyentes del ABX con sus "pruebas y procedimientos científicos" pues al parecer su enfoque está sesgado, es inútil y demuestra profunda ignorancia del proceso perceptivo auditivo.



Dejo aquí algunos de los pocos documentos al respecto que pude encontrar, el primero un artículo de Henry Fountain, encargado de la sección de Ciencia en el periódico New Yoork Times, posteriormente el trabajo de Bryan Glick, Donald Derrick y Peter Anderson, lamentablemente su nvestigación no está disponible libremente, cuesta 25 USD la descarga.



Are you feeling it?


We hear with our ears, right? Yes, but scientists have known for years that we also hear with our eyes. In a landmark study published in 1976, researchers found that people integrate auditory cues and visual cues, like mouth and face movements, when they hear speech.

A new study that looks at a different set of sensory cues adds to a growing body of evidence that suggests the ability to use different senses to hear is innate.

In a paper in Nature, the international weekly journal, Bryan Glick and Donald Derrick of the University of British Columbia report that people can hear with their skin.

The researchers had subjects listen to spoken syllables while hooked up to a device that would simultaneously blow a tiny puff of air onto the skin of their hand or neck. The syllables included “pa” and “ta,” which produce a brief puff from the mouth when spoken, and “ba” and “da,” which don’t produce puffs. They found that when listeners heard “ba” or “da” while a puff of air was blown onto their skin, they perceived the sound as “pa” or “ta.”

Gick said the findings were similar to the 1976 study, in which visual cues trumped auditory ones—subjects listened to one syllable but perceived another because they were watching video of mouth movements corresponding to the second syllable. In his study, he said, cues from sensory receptors on the skin trumped the ears as well. “Our skin is doing the hearing for us,” he said.

Gick noted that it would normally be rare that someone actually sensed a puff of air produced by another, although people might occasionally sense their own puffs. Either way, he said, the stimulus is very subtle, “which suggests it is very powerful.”

“What’s so persuasive about this particular effect,’ he added, “is that people are picking up on this information that they don’t know they are using.” That supports the idea that integrating different sensory cues is innate.

Gick said the finding also suggested there might be other sensory cues at work in speech perception—that, as he put it, “we are these fantastic perception machines that take in all the information available to us and integrate it seamlessly.”

By Henry Fountain, The New York Times